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3Neko

Level: 287

マイコーは 09月9日, 7:37に

KEEP: 勤める, ABSORB: 務める

と言いました。

Hm, so far I understood duplicates as being identical words/meanings with different variants of kanji-kana-combinations.

I might be wrong here, but the example of つとめる with different kanji… so far I thought of it as a slightly different meaning - a nuance only, but yet different. A homophone but not the same word…

Will the entire dictionary entry of 務める disappear and come up as variant in 勤める instead?

I‘m thinking also of words like きく (聞く、聴く) that are almost identical, but actually aren‘t…

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マイコー

Level: 305

If they are currently in renshuu with the same definition, then yes, they'll be blended. As far as renshuu is concerned, they are the same.

In the first case, it looks like renshuu's definitions need to be adjusted (I can handle this tomorrow) so they do appear as distinct entries. I do have the full list of merges (it's maybe 500 sets long, although most of those are 御 variants, and can be easily dismissed), and we can do a spot check on the remaining ones (like this) to see if any other definition changes need to go into place before this happens.

Excellent find! I'll trim down the list tomorrow and we can see if any of the other ones need to be adjusted.

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Kerlione

Level: 977

Would like to participate in the action :)

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フーラノキ

Level: 488

I’d be happy to volunteer. I run a lot of vocab and I’m sure I’ve seen doubles.

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ariostas

Level: 94

I'd be happy to help!

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日本イズ

Level: 197

I'd love to help.

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Loafy666

Level: 413

I know my account has registered two versions of 叡知 so yes I will volunteer for testing

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マイコー

Level: 305

Update: There are about 190 pairs with same definition on renshuu, but different kanji, so I'll need to go through those first :(. It's too long to post in here, but I'll try to get this done as quickly as I can so we can continue with this.

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あまくに

Level: 184

I'd be glad to help with this!

6 days ago

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マイコー

Level: 305

All "mixed" pairs finished. I still need to figure out how to best handle the number/kanji words, but after that, will be good to get a test suite set up!

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3Neko

Level: 287

マイコーは 09月9日, 2:20に

Also, if one or two people are up for even MORE data sharing, I'd like to take one user's data (just the duplicate term data) and post it here so everyone here can see what I'm looking at, and I can get better feedback on the process that you will all take when this is rolled out. Just one or two users would be enough (older accounts are better, heh.)

と言いました。

If that‘s still, or rather again, helpful after the cleanup of „mixed“ definitions, I‘d be happy to provide my data. I‘m not sure about how many relevant terms I have though…

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ポケットPocket

Level: 54

I had noticed a couple duplicate words in my schedules but I thought I misread something which led to me getting questions wrong cus I thought i already did that word so it can't be the same- lol. I'd be happy to help out, I just don't know exactly how to so I'm just copying everyone I see here, lol

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かわうそ

Level: 413

I would be willing to help, but I do not know if I would be able to depending on the time commitment.

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マックス五条

Level: 138

I would like to help out as well and volunteer. :]

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Slipperybeluga

Level: 618

willing to help.feel free to to do what you need to and/or share anything from my profile.

I've been saving my vocab via the renshuu api regularly. i took a look at words with same definition, same kana, +/- duplicate kanji. (included a few like 聞く／聴く始め／初め etc which you might want to continue to keep separate). The honorific prefix kanji I think is what messed this up for so many things. I was definitely frustrated getting お金、お母さん, etc back to level zero seemingly randomly throughout my renshuu study. now i see the terms are identical but have different renshuu ids and have 御 instead of お or ご。Renshuu at least does not include that in the learning which is good, I guess it's just at the bottom of the term as "also written as" (for example, くらい has also written ぐらい). here's my list.

hiragana	kanji	renshuu_id	definition
もうしわけない	申し訳ない	267008	["I'm sorry, (it's) inexcusable, I feel regretful, I feel guilty", 'thank you very much (for help, etc.)']
もうしわけない	申し訳無い	80646	["I'm sorry, (it's) inexcusable, I feel regretful, I feel guilty", 'thank you very much (for help, etc.)']
もっていく	持っていく	261996	['to take (something) along, to bring with one, to carry (something) away, to bear']
もっていく	持って行く	70662	['to take (something) along, to bring with one, to carry (something) away, to bear']
もってくる	持ってくる	262000	['to bring, to take (something) along, to fetch, to get']
もってくる	持って来る	70666	['to bring, to take (something) along, to fetch, to get']
あさごはん	朝ごはん	274373	['breakfast']
あさごはん	朝御飯	11	['breakfast']
うそをつく	嘘をつく	247830	['to tell a lie, to fib']
うそをつく	嘘を付く	10826	['to tell a lie, to fib']
うるさい	煩い	125447	['noisy, loud', 'annoying, troublesome, tiresome, persistent, importunate', 'fussy, finicky, picky, particular, nagging, fastidious, bossy', '{int} shut up, be quiet']
うるさい	煩さい	306273	['noisy, loud', 'annoying, troublesome, tiresome, persistent, importunate', 'fussy, finicky, picky, particular, nagging, fastidious, bossy', '{int} shut up, be quiet']
おかあさん	お母さん	227861	['{hon} mother, mom, mum, ma', '{hon} wife', '{pn} {fam} you (of an elderly person older than the speaker), she, her']
おかあさん	御母さん	61692	['{hon} mother, mom, mum, ma', '{hon} wife', '{pn} {fam} you (of an elderly person older than the speaker), she, her']
おかね	お金	227465	['{pol} money']
おかね	御金	61492	['{pol} money']
おきゃくさん	お客さん	227456	['{hon} guest, visitor', '{hon} customer, client, shopper, spectator, audience, tourist, sightseer, passenger']
おきゃくさん	御客さん	61480	['{hon} guest, visitor', '{hon} customer, client, shopper, spectator, audience, tourist, sightseer, passenger']
おじいさん	お爺さん	104	['grandfather', 'male senior-citizen, old man']
おじいさん	お祖父さん	304587	['grandfather', 'male senior-citizen, old man']
おじいさん	御祖父さん	227699	['grandfather', 'male senior-citizen, old man']
おすすめ	御勧め	197739	['{pol} recommendation, advice, suggestion, encouragement']
おすすめ	御薦め	197834	['{pol} recommendation, advice, suggestion, encouragement']
おつり	お釣り	227757	['{pol} change (for a purchase)', '{col} {joc} toilet splashback']
おつり	御釣り	61652	['{pol} change (for a purchase)', '{col} {joc} toilet splashback']
おてあらい	お手洗い	304580	['toilet, restroom, lavatory, bathroom']
おてあらい	御手洗い	61553	['toilet, restroom, lavatory, bathroom']
おてら	お寺	227578	['{hon} {pol} temple', '{abbr} monk']
おてら	御寺	197786	['{hon} {pol} temple', '{abbr} monk']
おなかがすく	お腹がすく	175138	['to become hungry, to get an empty stomach']
おなかがすく	お腹が空く	10827	['to become hungry, to get an empty stomach']
おにぎり	お握り	227389	['onigiri, rice ball (often triangular＆＆＆ sometimes with a filling and wrapped in nori)']
おにぎり	御握り	61435	['onigiri, rice ball (often triangular＆＆＆ sometimes with a filling and wrapped in nori)']
おばあさん	お婆さん	123	['grandmother', 'old woman, female senior citizen']
おばあさん	お祖母さん	292132	['grandmother', 'old woman, female senior citizen']
おばあさん	御祖母さん	304588	['grandmother', 'old woman, female senior citizen']
おばあちゃん	お婆ちゃん	332613	['{fam} granny, grandma, gran', '{fam} old lady, old woman']
おばあちゃん	御婆ちゃん	18385	['{fam} granny, grandma, gran', '{fam} old lady, old woman']
おばさん	伯母さん	1731	['{hon} {fam} aunt (when written with kanji＆＆＆ older sister of one of our parents)']
おばさん	叔母さん	1732	['{hon} {fam} aunt (when written with kanji＆＆＆ younger sister of one of our parents)']
おまつり	お祭り	227541	['{pol} festival, feast, carnival, matsuri']
おまつり	御祭り	197776	['{pol} festival, feast, carnival, matsuri']
おみまい	お見舞い	227494	['calling on someone who is ill, enquiry, inquiry']
おみまい	御見舞い	61501	['calling on someone who is ill, enquiry, inquiry']
おれい	お礼	227920	['{pol} thanks, gratitude', '{pol} manners, etiquette', '{pol} bow', '{pol} reward, gift', '{pol} ceremony, ritual']
おれい	御礼	61748	['{pol} thanks, gratitude', '{pol} manners, etiquette', '{pol} bow', '{pol} reward, gift', '{pol} ceremony, ritual']
かぜをひく	風邪をひく	306357	['to catch a cold']
かぜをひく	風邪を引く	10840	['to catch a cold']
かわ	川	173	['river, stream', '{suf} River, the ... river (suffix used with the names of rivers)']
かわ	河	174	['river, stream', '{suf} River, the ... river (suffix used with the names of rivers)']
かたい	固い	1925	['hard, solid, tough', 'stiff, tight, wooden, unpolished (e.g. writing)', 'strong, firm (not viscous or easily moved)', 'safe, steady, honest, steadfast', 'obstinate, stubborn', 'bookish, formal, stuffy']
かたい	硬い	1927	['hard, solid, tough', 'stiff, tight, wooden, unpolished (e.g. writing)', 'strong, firm (not viscous or easily moved)', 'safe, steady, honest, steadfast', 'obstinate, stubborn', 'bookish, formal, stuffy']
かわいそう	可哀想	2008	['poor, pitiable, pathetic, pitiful']
かわいそう	可哀相	192518	['poor, pitiable, pathetic, pitiful']
きがつく	気がつく	252562	['to notice, to realize, to realise, to become aware (of), to perceive, to sense, to suspect', 'to be attentive, to be scrupulous, to be observant', "to regain consciousness, to come to (one's senses), to come round"]
きがつく	気が付く	51733	['to notice, to realize, to realise, to become aware (of), to perceive, to sense, to suspect', 'to be attentive, to be scrupulous, to be observant', "to regain consciousness, to come to (one's senses), to come round"]
きく	聞く	181	['to hear', 'to ask, to enquire, to query', 'to hear about, to hear of, to learn of', 'to follow (advice, order, etc.), to obey, to listen to, to comply with', 'to hear (e.g. a plea), to grant (a request), to accept (e.g. an argument), to give consideration to', 'to smell (esp. incense), to sample (a fragrance)', 'to taste (alcohol), to try']
きく	聴く	94939	['to hear', 'to listen (e.g. to music)', 'to ask, to enquire, to query', 'to hear about, to hear of, to learn of', 'to follow (advice, order, etc.), to obey, to listen to, to comply with', 'to hear (e.g. a plea), to grant (a request), to accept (e.g. an argument), to give consideration to', 'to smell (esp. incense), to sample (a fragrance)', 'to taste (alcohol), to try']
きれい	奇麗	198	['pretty, lovely, beautiful, fair', 'clean, clear, pure, tidy, neat', 'completely, entirely']
きれい	綺麗	222253	['pretty, lovely, beautiful, fair', 'clean, clear, pure, tidy, neat', 'completely, entirely']
きをつける	気をつける	252623	['to be careful, to pay attention, to take care']
きをつける	気を付ける	2188	['to be careful, to pay attention, to take care']
く	九	2202	['nine (used for months＆＆＆ hours)']
く	９	254618	['nine, 9']
くじ	九時	8235	["nine o'clock"]
くじ	９時	292526	["nine o'clock"]
ことができる	ことが出来る	18912	['to be able (to), to be possible (to)']
ことができる	事ができる	335289	['to be able (to), to be possible (to)']
こども	子ども	261136	['child, children']
こども	子供	243	['child, children']
こどもたち	子供たち	261147	['children']
こどもたち	子供達	69033	['children']
この	斯の	200492	['this (something or someone close to the speaker (including the speaker), or ideas expressed by the speaker)', 'last (couple of years, etc.), these, past, this (in ref. to a stretch of time or date)', 'you (as in "you liar") (emphatic, accusatory, insulting)']
この	此の	244	['this (something or someone close to the speaker (including the speaker), or ideas expressed by the speaker)', 'last (couple of years, etc.), these, past, this (in ref. to a stretch of time or date)', 'you (as in "you liar") (emphatic, accusatory, insulting)']
これから	此から	259238	['from now on, after this, in the future, in future', 'from here, from this point']
これから	此れから	914	['from now on, after this, in the future, in future', 'from here, from this point']
ごしゅじん	ご主人	228505	['{hon} your husband, her husband']
ごしゅじん	御主人	236	['{hon} your husband, her husband']
ごはん	ご飯	228526	['cooked rice', 'meal']
ごはん	御飯	245	['cooked rice', 'meal']
ごみ	塵	2532	['rubbish, trash, garbage, refuse, litter']
ごみ	塵芥	2533	['trash, rubbish']
ごみ	芥	47451	['rubbish, trash, garbage, refuse, litter']
ごめん	ご免	175579	["I'm sorry, my apologies, excuse me, pardon me", 'may I come in?', '{n} {hon} permission, leave, license', '{n} {hon} dismissal, discharge', '{n} not wanting, objecting to, being fed up with, wishing to avoid']
ごめん	御免	2536	["I'm sorry, my apologies, excuse me, pardon me", 'may I come in?', '{n} {hon} permission, leave, license', '{n} {hon} dismissal, discharge', '{n} not wanting, objecting to, being fed up with, wishing to avoid']
ごめんなさい	ご免なさい	2538	["I'm sorry, my apologies, excuse me, pardon me"]
ごめんなさい	御免なさい	332606	["I'm sorry, my apologies, excuse me, pardon me"]
さしあげる	さし上げる	305254	['to lift up, to hold up, to raise', '{hum} to give, to present, to offer', '{aux-v} {v1} {hum} to do (for someone)']
さしあげる	差し上げる	929	['to lift up, to hold up, to raise', '{hum} to give, to present, to offer', '{aux-v} {v1} {hum} to do (for someone)']
すう	吸う	306	['to smoke, to breathe in, to inhale', 'to suck, to sip, to slurp', 'to absorb, to soak up', 'to kiss']
すう	喫う	52681	['to smoke, to breathe in, to inhale', 'to suck, to sip, to slurp', 'to absorb, to soak up', 'to kiss']
せっけん	石けん	84984	['soap']
せっけん	石鹸	3238	['soap']
せっけん	石鹼	305709	['soap']
それぞれ	其れ其れ	3348	['each, respectively']
それぞれ	夫れ夫れ	307001	['each, respectively']
たかい	高い	357	['high, tall', 'expensive, high-priced', 'high (level), above average (in degree, quality, etc.)', 'loud', 'high-pitched, shrill']
たかい	高価い	198737	['high, tall', 'expensive, high-priced', 'high (level), above average (in degree, quality, etc.)', 'loud', 'high-pitched, shrill']
ために	為に	38955	["for, for the sake of, to one's advantage, in favor of, in favour of, on behalf of", 'because of, as a result of']
ために	爲に	246662	["for, for the sake of, to one's advantage, in favor of, in favour of, on behalf of", 'because of, as a result of']
つとめる	務める	3671	['to work (for), to be employed (at), to serve (in)', 'to serve (as), to act (as), to fill (the position of), to play the role (of)', 'to conduct a religious service']
つとめる	勤める	395	['to work (for), to be employed (at), to serve (in)', 'to serve (as), to act (as), to fill (the position of), to play the role (of)', 'to conduct a religious service']
でかける	出かける	307037	['to go out (e.g. on an excursion or outing), to leave, to depart, to start, to set out', 'to be about to leave, to be just going out']
でかける	出掛ける	3725	['to go out (e.g. on an excursion or outing), to leave, to depart, to start, to set out', 'to be about to leave, to be just going out']
なる	成る	3969	['to become, to get, to grow, to turn, to reach, to attain', 'to result in, to turn out, to end up, to prove (to be)', 'to consist of, to be composed of, to be made up of', 'to be completed, to be realized, to succeed, to be attained, to be accomplished', 'to change (into), to turn (into), to transform', 'to come (to do), to begin (to do), to grow (to do)', 'to come to, to amount to, to add up to, to make', 'to play (the part of), to act as', 'to be used for, to be useful for, to serve as', '{shogi} to be promoted', '{aux-v} {v5r} {hon} to do ...']
なる	為る	3968	['to become, to get, to grow, to turn, to reach, to attain', 'to result in, to turn out, to end up, to prove (to be)', 'to consist of, to be composed of, to be made up of', 'to be completed, to be realized, to succeed, to be attained, to be accomplished', 'to change (into), to turn (into), to transform', 'to come (to do), to begin (to do), to grow (to do)', 'to come to, to amount to, to add up to, to make', 'to play (the part of), to act as', 'to be used for, to be useful for, to serve as', '{shogi} to be promoted', '{aux-v} {v5r} {hon} to do ...']
なるほど	なる程	305683	["I see, that's right, indeed"]
なるほど	成程	3971	["I see, that's right, indeed"]
はじめ	初め	11032	['beginning, start, outset, opening', 'first (in line, etc.)', 'such as ..., not to mention ...']
はじめ	始め	11031	['beginning, start, outset, opening', 'origin', 'such as ..., not to mention ...']
ひさしぶり	久しぶり	253212	['a long time (since the last time), first in a long time']
ひさしぶり	久し振り	52923	['a long time (since the last time), first in a long time']
ひるごはん	昼ご飯	274134	['lunch, midday meal']
ひるごはん	昼御飯	541	['lunch, midday meal']
ふね	舟	1197	['ship, boat, watercraft, vessel, seaplane', 'tank, tub, vat, trough', '{n-suf} {ctr} counter for boat-shaped containers (e.g. of sashimi)']
ふね	船	1198	['ship, boat, watercraft, vessel, seaplane', 'tank, tub, vat, trough', '{n-suf} {ctr} counter for boat-shaped containers (e.g. of sashimi)']
ほうがいい	方がいい	338033	['had better ... (after past tense verb)', 'had better not ... (after negative verb)']
ほうがいい	方が良い	214700	['had better ... (after past tense verb)', 'had better not ... (after negative verb)']
むかい	向い	62736	['facing, opposite, across the street, other side']
むかい	向かい	4725	['facing, opposite, across the street, other side']
もうしわけない	申し訳ない	267008	["I'm sorry, (it's) inexcusable, I feel regretful, I feel guilty", 'thank you very much (for help, etc.)']
もうしわけない	申し訳無い	80646	["I'm sorry, (it's) inexcusable, I feel regretful, I feel guilty", 'thank you very much (for help, etc.)']
もっていく	持っていく	261996	['to take (something) along, to bring with one, to carry (something) away, to bear']
もっていく	持って行く	70662	['to take (something) along, to bring with one, to carry (something) away, to bear']
もってくる	持ってくる	262000	['to bring, to take (something) along, to fetch, to get']
もってくる	持って来る	70666	['to bring, to take (something) along, to fetch, to get']
わたしたち	私たち	261489	['we, us']
わたしたち	私達	69815	['we, us']

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マイコー

Level: 305

I will have a test page (that will not do anything, just show what will potentially happen) up ...hopefully tomorrow, but if not, at the beginning of next week.

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reddeath68

Level: 496

マイコーは 09月8日, 20:20に

と言いました。

You're free to use my data as an example

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マイコー

Level: 305

Ok, so I got the test page up! I'll announce it next week via DM, but for now, here it is:

https://app.renshuu.org/index....

It should be fairly easy to understand, but please read the top.

Also do note that I am still making changes to the number-based duplicates, so what is on the left (keep) and what is on the right (lose) may change.

Now, if you see things that you think should be separate, or feel you have duplicates that are a)in renshuu materials and b)not on that page, please let me know.

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3Neko

Level: 287

丸い・円い　I believe they should not be merged. Both mean „round“, but 丸い is more 3D-round (a ball), while 円い is more 2D-round (a coin). They are different words with a similar but not the same meaning.

作る・造る・創る　Same thing here. They are similar, but different.

止まる・留まる　Same. Different meaning.

硬い・固い　 Same. Different meaning.

船・舟　Same. Different meaning.

I believe these are not words with an alternative writing, but should be different words in the dictionary.

Not in my list, but same thing:

会う・逢う　I believe they should be diffrent words. 逢う has a romantic touch that 会う doesn‘t have…

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はちみつ 🐝

Level: 704

I want to help!

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