掲示板 Forums - Upcoming change - duplicate removal (volunteers needed)

i can't speak for others, but i merged my renshuu n5, n4, and n3 schedules into one schedule which i believe makes them count as a "user made" schedule. i had ~40 duplicates in it. maybe for other people studying 入口 and 入り口 as separate terms with separate mastery levels is important, but for me it is not as they are obviously the same word. so i would like to have to option to remove those types of duplicates from my schedule.

How long does it take for my schedules to be updated? Because I just merged my words and they seem to only be partly updated, e.g. like this:

before merging:

お祭り not in any schedule --- 御祭り 87% mastery in schedule "words for pre-intermediate"

after merging:

お祭り 87% mastery, but still not in any schedule --- 御祭り unknown mastery, but still in previous schedule

So the mastery transfer seems to work, but shouldn't the alternative be removed from the schedule and the main version be added if I had only studied one of them? Does that just take longer than refreshing the page?

Edit: for e.g. 思いつく / 思い付くthis worked. 思いつく got both the mastery and schedule from 思い付く.

No worries and thanks for looking into this, I hope you had a nice weekend! I double checked the N3 vocab schedule again, and it seems like all the extra words are no longer part of that schedule. I also checked whether the N4 vocab schedule had any duplicates, but wasn't able to pinpoint any so far other than 1 word being stuck in my reviews.

I took the tool down for a day (two at the most) so I can work on some changes. You can still view it, just not hit the button at the bottom.

I believe this new layout will address all the non-bug issues that have been brought up.

1. The only schedules that are forcibly changed (because they will otherwise not line up when the renshuu materials are updated) are the renshuu-made schedules. (Of course, once this takes place, you can still re-add any alternate forms to your renshuu schedules, but I doubt that will be a common action, or even a rare one.)

2. It now shows all possible merges in terms that are in your account, but are not from a renshuu schedule (see the ひにち at the bottom of the screenshot). These will, by default, not be merged, as renshuu does not have enough information to know the user's intent. Checking the box next to the main term will merge it, though, and adjust all schedules that contain it.

To everyone who has had concerns with how it's worked so far, please let me know what you think about this!

That is correct, but the new version of the tool should work for you once it's ready :)

Thanks a lot, Michael!

I‘m happy to hear that! My choice of learning material is the main reason I use renshuu for hours every day. Since I have found reshuu, my learning is heavily based on it. Seeing an idea of deleting terms in my lists floating around, got me nervous.

You created a wonderful, flexible, individual, the-only-app-for-advanced-learners tool, that I love a lot!

The changes made in the merge overview page now communicate better what is going to happen, I believe.

For me, the overview is showing what I would expect (and hoped for): No terms on renshuu schedules, since I don‘t have any. Quite a few terms in my schedules, that I can choose to not merge - no change in mastery, no removal of terms.

Thanks again.

I guess what I meant by "study different versions" is to have the alternate spellings only quiz the spelling part. And to reflect on the "main" vocabulary word -- a lot of my duplicates are from when I got a word that it thought I didn't know in a sentence because it was an alternate spelling, so I added it in (despite the tedium of re-studying something I already knew) so that it wouldn't flag it as unknown. Or where I ran into a non-headword version and felt like I needed to add both, to get the + to be green. (Especially with the words where the two versions are hiragana vs katakana, because when I'm typing them in in quizzes I'm typing romaji either way, so it's really a lot of duplication.)

(It'd also be great to merge all the suru-verbs that have two entries, one for the noun (with a "this can be a suru-verb" note, and one for the form with the +suru, because I have, again, a lot of those, because I add them both to get them to show up as "known" in Renshuu, but really I'd just like having studying one update them both.)

I know these are non-trivial ideas, I'm just throwing them out there.

I think for now, I am not going to run the merge -- I'd be happy to merge in all the ones where it's just 御 vs お/ご, but I want it quizzing me on all the forms of はかる, for example, and it's not telling me which schedule the words are in; I know I already mostly pruned duplicates out of my typing schedule by putting them in my non-typing schedule (since it's faster to just clickclickclick through), but I don't know which one is going to get kept. (None of my schedules are "official" ones.)

I just used the new merge tool again and got the same bug again, this time showing up in a user-made schedule I made (called word box).

The tool deleted my mastery on these words and marked them as unlearned. I also deselected some words on the merge page and visually it seemed like it merged everything anyway (though I can't confirm it actually happened, I just didn't see those words as being selectable in the merge list afterwards anymore).

It seems like the unlearned terms are the duplicates that were supposed to be removed, so perhaps this might simply be expected behavior? Just wanted to report on it anyway in case it helps!

I checked the merge page again, and while I don't fully remember which column they were in (they were definitely all in one though, not in separate ones), it currently looks like this now. So in retrospect, it seems like it did respect the exceptions I selected, as I wanted terms like 雫 and いまさら to be excluded

Used the tool and it worked pretty well for me. I've got renshuu's n5 and n4 schedules.

My only significant hiccup: おじいさん and おかわり had (probably 100%) kanji -> meaning for their forms with kanji, and 0% kana -> meaning. So, their new forms don't have any credit for kana -> meaning.

I think I'll just set the mastery of those two myself, despite the little warning about leaderboards.